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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 08 Nov 2017, 23:03 

Joined: 28 Sep 2014, 09:02
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Location: Charlottesville, VA
Hey fellas,

Long time, no see. Still running my 16' rhino with 4 stroke 60/40. I love the motor but with a tunnel cut in, .190 gauge bottom, UHMW on the bottom, bait tank and live well (30-40 gallons) and two people we are wanting more throttle.

Anyways, I came across a 1993 90/65 Johnson factory jet for $750. The powerhead is locked up but that doesnt matter to me. These blocks are all over the place. I was just wondering what you guys thought about this platform? This motor is framed on a 99.6 cubic inch block. Only thing I am leary about is it is a crossflow motor. I haven't fooled with many crossflows. I know they idle well, drink lots of gas, and dont have the upper end that the loopers do. Would that stop you from buying one?

Icing on the cake: My uncle has a 1992 Johnson 115 that he wants to take off of his bass boat to turn into a reservoir boat. He told me if I buy him a 24v transom mount trolling motor and two batteries, he will trade me. I would also get him an onboard battery charging system and install it all for him.

Basically, if I made this move, I would have a 115/80 sleeper motor...............


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 09 Nov 2017, 14:24 
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Location: southern indiana
The 115 power head would go on that 90 mid if I'm not mistaken. The 90 and 115 are good engines if everything is up to snuff. Usually what kills them is a gummed up carb causing a lean condition burning up a cylinder, or bad t stats that cause it to run to cold or too hot. I would get the 90 and then make the trade for the 115 and put that power head on the jet mid. I would haggle down the 90 price some as all your really buying is the outboard jet since the power head is junk. You will most likely have to go to a different impeller than what is in it if you put the 115 power head on. That and your boat might need pods for the added weight, but you will be very pleased with the power/performance gain, you won't like the fuel consumption.


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 09 Nov 2017, 20:59 

Joined: 28 Sep 2014, 09:02
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Andy agree with all that you have said. Except for one thing, I cAnt really argue with the price. It has a working power trim on it as well as controls. I get $250 for trim system and $100-$150 for controls around here. Plus all the goodies are still on the powerhead. I wouldn't sell that jet unit for less than $1000 out this way, and that's if that is all I was selling. But markets are different all over, so it may be different out your way. Also, OBJ is 4-6 months backed up last I checked.

I can live with the gas consumption cause I only get to fish 1 day a week. I just wanna go fast!!!!


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 10 Nov 2017, 10:51 
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It's not a bad deal I'm just cheap lol. That engine would probably push a 17-18ft just fine as well if you ever decided to go to a little bigger river boat.


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 13 Nov 2017, 13:18 

Joined: 28 Sep 2014, 09:02
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Location: Charlottesville, VA
I hear ya. Well they are very hard to find around here. The guy who makes the jet boats has a few motors, some from 2000 up to a mercury optimax in the 2006 range. He wants $6000 for each of them. He knows they are hard to come by. On top of that there is a 16 week wait for the jets from OBJ right now, and he doesnt even have any ready to go!!!

With all that accounted for, the guy that I am getting the 90 jet from is going to paint her all up fresh for me in whatever paint scheme I want for $1100. I see 90-115 crossflow v4's all over around here, in the $500-$1500 price range. I should be right at $2000 with a freshly painted engine. Cant beat that!!

P.S. I am selling my 60/40 and will have it listed on here.


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 13 Nov 2017, 14:47 
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Unless it is a heck of a paint job I'd just pay the 750 for it. But then again I don't care about paint on my engine as long as it runs good. To each their own, glad you found a deal. That boat will be even more arse heavy now though.


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 14 Nov 2017, 10:25 

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Well the guy selling it is a good dude and he paints and restores motors for a hobby/side biz. He isn't making much on the motor so we decided it would be fair to us both to get her all painted up. The rhino is too pretty (IMO) to throw a faded motor on the back of. :) She ain't too heavy in the rear right now. The reason that the water line is so high back there is when we are pulling in big cats we both stand back there. One to wind em up, one to net em. The boat actually sets pretty in the water at a drift. The bigger 2 stroke also weighs a little less than 50lbs. more than the 60/40.

I am going to stick the motor on there and see how she runs/floats. I am considering putting some custom float pods on the back if need be. Here is how she floats with 2 "people" at the console: Image

Truth be told, Id probably be better off with a 1654 and the 90/65. Lots of reasons to keep this boat though. It is set up just how I want it to be.

With the CC mounted up front and my passenger and I up there she runs skinnier than ever now. Just needs a little more go-go juice.

All-in-all she fishes excellently and runs great. I won't be using this boat through the winter and figured I could use a little something to mess with. Just gaining experience and testing all fundamentals here.


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 14 Nov 2017, 11:17 
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I'm one of the believers that there is no such thing as too much power so I understand. A 1854 to me would be pretty ideal, but I can understand not wanting to deal with changing hulls, until I have legitemate reason to go to a different I'm sticking with mine. Even though there are better options, I don't feel like spending the time or money dealing with it.


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 17 Nov 2017, 01:21 

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Andy,

I ended up posting the boat on CL just to see what the market thought she was worth. I thought I priced it very fairly. The next day I had a guy send me a deposit from up north. Cant believe I sold the boat in one day.

I posted the motor for sale for 2 weeks and no love. Decided it would be easier on the back just to sell her whole. Plus I want a wider rig.

Needless to say, I am not hull shopping. I can get a new hull, 1754 for the same price as a 1760. I am wondering which route I want to go. Any opinions?


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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 17 Nov 2017, 11:16 

Joined: 26 Oct 2013, 14:56
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Location: Ewing, NJ
I have a 1652 which I like but I would really prefer a 1660. I can fit my 1652 in the garage barely for the winter so I would not want to go any longer and I don't really need the extra length. Sea Ark makes a 1660 and you can get it in a jet tunnel if you wanted to. I think Xpress makes a sweet looking 1660 as well but it's kind of pricey.

Here's a picture of the XPress 1660 a member here (Goaround) posted a couple of years ago.

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 Post subject: Johnson 90/65 Opinions?
PostPosted: 17 Nov 2017, 19:17 

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Thanks for the input Jeff! Thats a nice skiff for sure. Im teetering on 54-60" at this point. I will likely go 60.


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