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PostPosted: 24 Aug 2017, 10:42 
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The battle to protect your boat’s engine is not over. Right now, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is asking for comments on the amount of ethanol that must be blended into the nation’s fuel supply for 2018. Boat owners need to speak up and be heard by the EPA.

Act Now

While the proposed national ethanol levels are slightly lower than the 2017 mandate, boaters can expect to face higher ethanol-blend fuels, such as E15 (15 percent ethanol), at more gas stations next year under the current proposal. Because of its ability to damage boat engines, federal law prohibits the use of gas blends greater than E10 (10 percent ethanol) in recreational boats.

Please take a few moments to send a message NOW urging the EPA to lower the ethanol mandates to ensure an adequate supply of fuel that will work in your boat.

Click here to take action: http://cqrcengage.com/boatus/app/act-on ... tId=389053

Background

The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) is the 2005 law that requires the blending of biofuels such as corn-ethanol into our gasoline. To meet this government mandate, in 2010 the EPA permitted E15 (fuel containing up to 15 percent ethanol) into the marketplace, but only for model year 2001 or newer automobiles. Using E15 in marine engines as well as snowmobiles, motorcycles, and small engines, like lawnmowers and leaf blowers, is prohibited. In addition, it has been proven that E15 will damage boat engines, making it vital that E10 and ethanol-free gasoline is readily available.

E15 and higher ethanol-blend fuels can now be found in at least 23 states, often at the very same pumps as E10 gasoline. A single sticker on the pump mixed in with all the other labels may be the only warning of E15 gasoline. This creates a dangerous potential for misfueling and puts boaters at risk of using fuel that will damage their engines. CLICK HERE for more information on E15 and the Renewable Fuel Standard.

Thanks for being a BoatU.S. member and for taking action to let EPA hear how ethanol will affect your boat engine. BoatU.S. members have one of the largest voices on this issue in Washington so please send your comments today and share this email with your boating friends.

The comment period ends on August 31st so please send your comments today.

Sincerely,

David Kennedy
BoatU.S. Government Affairs
(703) 461-2878 x8363
govtaffairs@boatus.com

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DH NOTE - You do NOT have to be a Boat/US member to click the link above and send in your opinion. I just did this and it took me 10-seconds or less ....



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PostPosted: 24 Aug 2017, 11:57 
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Done deal.....hope others join in as well.


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PostPosted: 24 Aug 2017, 14:14 
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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2017, 07:22 
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Done!

I urge all of you guys and gals to sign this one.

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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2017, 07:42 

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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2017, 08:16 

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Done!
From what I understand, E15 will wreck havoc with small engines also. With all the oil reserves in the US it's time to go back to non ethanol gas, but I don't see that happening anytime soon!


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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2017, 09:47 

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Done. The whole idea is crazy. The energy required to boil alcohol out of sour mash just seems counter productive.



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PostPosted: 25 Aug 2017, 12:24 
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Bart wrote:
Done. The whole idea is crazy. The energy required to boil alcohol out of sour mash just seems counter productive.

FYI, this is the context of the emails get sent ... I added bold text below for emphasis only, for anyone new to this issue to understand ...

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Agency: Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Document Type: Rulemaking
Title: Renewable Fuel Standard Program: Standards for 2018 and Biomass-Based Diesel Volume for 2019
Document ID: EPA-HQ-OAR-2017-0091-0002

Comments on EPA-HQ-OAR-2017-0091 - The Renewable Fuel Standard

As a recreational boat owner, I urge the EPA to carefully review the consequences of the proposed Renewable Volume Obligations for 2018 and their effect on the supply of fuel that is safe to use in my boat. I am deeply concerned the proposed mandated ethanol volumes will make it more difficult for me to find fuel that is safe and legal to use in my boat's engine. Please act to reduce the ethanol mandate to ensure I have the choice of fuel that works best for my boat's engine.

I am also very troubled that not enough has been done to prevent the mis-fueling of my boat with the higher ethanol blends. The mis-fueling mitigation plans currently available, essential only one sticker on fuel pumps dispensing E15, do not provide sufficient protection against my inadvertently using the wrong gasoline in my boat. EPA must place additional effort on the prevention of such mis-fueling.

Again, EPA must act to assure there is fuel available that will not put my engine at risk of being damaged and to prevent the unintentionally mis-fueling of boats. Thank you for your consideration of my views.



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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2017, 19:50 
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Um, ethanol is not mandated, except in 7 states.

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2015/07/1 ... ght-think/

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/10 ... -e10-blend

If you don't live in those 7 states, you the consumer, determine how much ethanol is purchased. If you buy ethanol fuel, they will provide more of it. If you buy more straight gas, they will provide it. You want change, stop buying ethanol blended fuels.



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PostPosted: 14 Dec 2017, 20:04 
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I guess it is no surprise I'm in one of the 7.



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PostPosted: 14 Dec 2017, 20:40 
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I am not sure exactly how the rules (EPA, no doubt) work, but...

In Texas, since I live at the far reaches of a major city, under special EPA pollution rules, NO non-ethanol gasoline can be sold. If I want, I can drive 45 minutes out of town, into another County, and buy non-ethanol...but no non-ethanol gasoline is available here...period.

In Tennessee, where I live (Summers) in a small town, an hour away from Knoxville, I can buy non-ethanol gasoline on the corner, and from two or three other gas stations within 15 minutes of my home.

When in Texas, I plan to fill the boat up every time I go near a non-ethanol station.

I did ask my trusted boat mechanic about ethanol gasoline. He said to religiously use Stabil and I will be OK. I prefer non-ethanol gas, but at least I don't have to skip a fishing trip if I can't get it.



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PostPosted: 14 Dec 2017, 20:47 
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anyone know if this affects us up here in canada?



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richg99 wrote:
I am not sure exactly how the rules (EPA, no doubt) work, but...

In Texas, since I live at the far reaches of a major city, under special EPA pollution rules, NO non-ethanol gasoline can be sold. If I want, I can drive 45 minutes out of town, into another County, and buy non-ethanol...but no non-ethanol gasoline is available here...period.

In Tennessee, where I live (Summers) in a small town, an hour away from Knoxville, I can buy non-ethanol gasoline on the corner, and from two or three other gas stations within 15 minutes of my home.

When in Texas, I plan to fill the boat up every time I go near a non-ethanol station.

I did ask my trusted boat mechanic about ethanol gasoline. He said to religiously use Stabil and I will be OK. I prefer non-ethanol gas, but at least I don't have to skip a fishing trip if I can't get it.


Some cities and states do have requirements for fuel addatives that providers must meet. This link will get your started.
https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/ ... -standards



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Can't buy non-ethanol gaso in California, at least that I'm aware of. I figure if I use my boat at least weekly then I'm going to be OK. I have a small tank so should be cycling in fresh fuel regularly.

It is a tough to have to get out fishing every week just as a preventative against ethanol breakdown, but I guess I'll just have to step up to the plate and do what needs to be done. LOL



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If you think stabil will save you put some e gas in a clear glass jar with stabil and sit it on a shelf in your shed. I saw phase separation in three months, water on bottom right where you pick up tube is in your fuel tank and fuel on top. This means you will get a pure surge of water to your engine, not good. One has to do some research to find out why e fuel was brought out to start with. Remember when epa decided it was time to get rid of all those nasty 2 cycle two strokes polluting our water ways ? I burned a piston in a 100hp two stroke merc. I think it was from running pure water. They did a good job of getting rid of mine as well as a two year old $300 echo weed wacker. It still hangs in a tree beside my boat shed as a reminder of e fuel. Run the same test with non e fuel and stabil, one year later fuel is still fresh and ready to go no phase separation to worry about. Bottom line stay away from all e fuels if its not a daily driver.



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