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PostPosted: 20 Sep 2014, 12:18 
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Next up: Buying a fishing license is extortion. Registering your boat is extortion. Tags for your trailer is extortion. Required boat safety training is extortion.


Long time lurker, rare poster here, but this topic has my attention.

Your analogy is not correct.

Based on your comparison, I would have to buy a fishing license just to simply have my fishing pole in my trunk as I drive through your State.

This law is far too reaching. I am all about conservation, but being environmentally considerate does not automatically immune an idea from being stupid.

One more example of the dangers of big government and of those that support it.



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PostPosted: 21 Sep 2014, 12:00 
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If you want to fish in Minnesota, you have to buy a fishing license. If you want to trailer your boat on their highways, you need this decal. Both are fees for use of resources. Analogy = correct.



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PostPosted: 21 Sep 2014, 12:46 
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If you want to fish in Minnesota, you have to buy a fishing license. If you want to trailer your boat on their highways, you need this decal. Both are fees for use of resources. Analogy = correct.



Using your analogy I can safely come to the conclusion that you would have no problem if state surrounding your state required you to purchase a decal to also drive in their state. After all, the added fee would be justified because you would be using their resources.



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PostPosted: 21 Sep 2014, 13:16 
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Nope. Wouldn't be the first or last road toll I've paid. The toll just to cross the Chesapeake Bay Bridge tunnel here in the Old Dominion is $13...$18 if you're towing a single axel trailer.



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PostPosted: 22 Sep 2014, 01:30 
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obviously you fail to see the larger picture. This isn't about what it costs or what it's for, but is about the fact that a state has decided that they can force you to pay a private company for any reason, merely by being in that state, and on a federal road.

again, what if they decided that upon entering the state you had to pay to have a safety inspection done by a private company? Would you object then? It's for your own safety after all.
enjoy your massively bloated government.



My state already has a an annual vehicle inspection requirement, as do most states. And get this....the inspections are done by a private company (ie. your mechanic). And.......it's been that way for decades.

Consider the 10$ fee a toll. If you want to have your GPS reroute you around an entire state or avoid visiting a state altogether to avoid a $10 toll...that's your prerogative.....no matter how absurd. It's $10 to help prevent habitat destruction. I think you need to find something a little more worthwhile to get bent out of shape over.



And yet with all the inspections they impose on us here in va. there are more carbacues on the sides of the freeways in hampton roads not to mention more abandoned/broke down vehicles than any other state that i have lived in. also va requries a boater safety course for boats with engines bigger than 20 or 25 i believe and yet people still get killed or kill someone on the water after taking a course and acting like fools. people will not listen to what they had to pay ten dollars for. look at all the idiots on the roads and lakes in va. you think they will care about and put to practice something they are forced to read.



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Compulsory education is a pillar of our nation. Looks like it works pretty good to me.



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PostPosted: 22 Sep 2014, 10:20 
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If you want to fish in Minnesota, you have to buy a fishing license. If you want to trailer your boat on their highways, you need this decal. Both are fees for use of resources. Analogy = correct.



No. Analogy = wrong.

Your analogy has the person DRIVING through Minnesota (with a rod in trunk), not fishing in Minnesota, therefor the "fishing" license SHOULD not and IS NOT required.

That being true (which it is) then why shouldn't the same apply to the trailer.



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PostPosted: 22 Sep 2014, 10:29 
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I live in Ohio, and I (theoretically) got a call from my buddy in North Dakota saying he has a free boat for me if I can come get it tomorrow. Therefor I will be driving through MN tonight.

What am I supposed to do? Find the a Dept. of Motor Vehicles on a map, plan my trip around where that location is? Arrive sometime during business hours, wait in line, get the sticker and continue on my way?

Nonsense.

This is not about the fish, or the weeds. It is about crony capitalism and brain dead environmentalists milking the people for money. Raise the cost of a fishing license or boat registrations in your State (you know, the ones that use your water) and leave those who are simply passing through alone.

Perfect example of the dangers of big government control, and the people who will roll over and let them have it.



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PostPosted: 22 Sep 2014, 11:08 
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Analogy is correct, sir, even if you don't understand the concept. You could always take a privately owned interstate or highway to pick up your imaginary boat if you don't want pay the toll on the government owned roads.



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PostPosted: 22 Sep 2014, 11:28 
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I fish in Maine and have to buy the sticker. It's $20 but does nothing to actually stop the problem (up here it is primarily milfoil they are concerned with). All I do is pay my $20 and stick the sticker (it's a boat sticker, not a trailer sticker). I could have milfoil all over my trailer bunks and boat- what is a sticker going to stop? Here in NH we have lake stewards that actually check your trailer before and after you launch. They are only on specific lakes and only at certain times. I don't know what the answer is but I do know that as fishermen we should be open to any discussion that preserves our waters.



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Jonah, You seem to think that it is acceptable to require a person to go through the hassle I just described, simply to just "drive" through the State.

Your "toll road" analogy is also flawed, as I am using the road that I am being tolled for. I am not using your waterways, yet you still justify the toll. My road toll goes to improving that road that I am using. Your trailer toll, well, is being diverted to a private company who is probably well connected to your corrupt, all democrat controlled (big surprise), State government. (tax heavy dems hold all four State wide offices as well as both legislatures). All in the name of the fish.

I'm done commenting, I have nothing more to add. Fortunately for me I have no plans on driving through MN.

But be careful what you wish for. You may support this over reach because it benefits a cause that is close to you (fish). But as with every abuse, it never, ever ends there.



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I live in Ohio, and I (theoretically) got a call from my buddy in North Dakota saying he has a free boat for me if I can come get it tomorrow. Therefor I will be driving through MN tonight.

What am I supposed to do? Find the a Dept. of Motor Vehicles on a map, plan my trip around where that location is? Arrive sometime during business hours, wait in line, get the sticker and continue on my way?

Nonsense.

Perfect example of the dangers of big government control, and the people who will roll over and let them have it.

LOL.. Look out for my green Toyota Tacoma... I'm just driving through, aka passing through. No stops, unless I got to pee and I doubt very much there will be any lakes in the rest stop.
Oh, and odds are it will be in the middle of the night anyway.



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Thoughts from a MN shoreline:

Recreational fishing & its supporting businesses form one of the biggest industries in MN. If the MN legislature was seen as weak on this issue, they would be held responsible for the economic damage from the loss of the resource (despite the ducks contribution). That's also why MN is currently asking the U.S. Congress to permanently close Mississippi River lock and dam no. 1 to slow the spread of asian carp into MN.

States commonly have rules about what you can transport through their jurisdiction, especially in regard to plants and wildlife. The only thing unique in this case is that somebody decided it isn't unduly burdensome in the internet age to have people tap on a keyboard to acknowledge their responsibility. Probably less time than it takes to go on a (great) boat forum and post about it.


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Finally coming to their senses!! =D>

http://www.outdoornews.com/January-2015/One-of-Minnesota-State-Legislatures-first-orders-of-business-Repeal-AIS-training-law/


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Well, I never could stand the cold anyway. 10,000 lakes, I reckon I won't be fishing ye.



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