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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 08:41 

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I'm glad I came across this website in the beginning of my journey of my makeover of a 1978 sylvan with a 85hp Force motor. There is sooo much info on here and I've been doing my best to read it all before I dig into this boat.

Brief history on the boat. Found this thing on Craigslist a few weeks ago, and after going for a test drive I decided that it will make a great boat to restore. Once I got it home I cleaned out all the dirt and leaves, all the beer cans, all kinds of old bait and fishing line, and about 10 rusty cans of off. Filled my shop vac nearly with all the dirt and leaves and filled a entire garbage bag. Not sure how anyone lets a boat get that bad, but oh well. Only paid $1000 for everything.

The good:

-Motor runs good. Had about $500 in services done last year supposedly.
-Came with a 10hp evinrude that also has a piece of linkage that goes to the big motor so you can steer it with the steering wheel.
-new tires on trailer and a new spare. New bearing installed this year.
-brand new fish finder. About a $150 value
-came with to down riggers. Never used them before but maybe now I will. About a $150 value.

The bad:
-boat takes a little bit of water in from below the transom. Looks like it can be fixed by rebucking the rivots and I plan on putting down a nice thick coat of gluvit.
-floors are shot, they used pieces of plywood over the existing to strengthen the floor.
-tramsom is shot, need to be replaced. Outside skin needs to be patched up from all the holes over the years.
-wiring is shot, they used speaker wire in parallel to run all kinds of things like the bilge pump etc. luckily I'm a electrician so I look forward to fixing it and improving it. This boat is gonna have lots of leds. :D

I'm gonna wait another week or 3 to start tearing into the boat. I'd like to fish out of it a couple times before I gut it. In the mean time, I'd love to hear any advice on what to do first and how to attack some of my problems. I will post pictures very soon.

Thanks guys


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 08:53 
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Speaker wire in and of itself isn't necessarily bad - it can be a cheaper way to get a hold of tinned wire if done by someone competent with wiring.

Sounds like you've got your list of issues in order of their priority already.



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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 08:59 

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i know everyone loves pictures!!

This is how she sat when i bought her. Very dirty!
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After I cleaned it up.

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Need it to fit in the garage. :)

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It's a snug fit

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Got the trailer lights working.

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Thanks for looking.


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 09:04 
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Even if the motor was serviced...change the impeller!!!!



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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 09:15 

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I would agree that using speaker wire isn't so bad, but nothing is labeled, not even positive or negative. The boat will be getting some sort of fuse panel when I get that far.

You actually reminded me by saying that about the impeller. I will run to the store and buy the stuff to add a telltale so I at least know it's pumping water. He said it was just replaced, shouldn't a impeller last a few years?


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 09:23 
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All motors have tell tales - if you don't see water flowing testing it on muffs in the backyard then something is definitely wrong.

Even if it's flowing I'd still never take the word of a seller and at least inspect it & make sure it's a new impeller (rubber is flexible, not chipped, not stuck in it's installed form for too long after removal etc.)

Just the other day this guy put up a post RE: the same viewtopic.php?f=21&t=41468


You don't want that happening away from shore - you certainly don't want that happening while you're running your motor and find out about it after the motor has overheated which is usually the way it goes. Impellers are cheap - but letting a bad one burn out your motor turns your $1,000 great find into a colossal waste of money in the blink of an eye.



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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 09:27 

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The force motors don't have a telltale like most. It comes out 2 ports on the front of the motor but not like most where it actually had a hole with a constant stream. It's about a 10 min add on and probably less than $10 worth of supplies.


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 11 Aug 2016, 09:29 
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Interesting - I did not know that. Leave it to Chrysler to come up with an idiotic way to make an outboard.

Still check the impeller.



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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 12 Aug 2016, 14:42 

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Got the tell tail installed. Will be placing a order for a impeller very soon. That will be a good time to change out the oil in the bottom end.

Looked into why my tach doesn't work. That's because some genious thought it was a good idea to just chop away at the boats wiring! Ughhh. Found the horn, a fuse block which I think I will be able to reuse in this project and the wires that should go to the tach. My tachometer is a OMC tho, not sure how many polls it is??? Need to do some more digging.

Filled the boat with some water and found 3 screw holes that were letting water in. Gonna temporarily fix them for now till I decide to dig into the transom.

Stay tuned for more. In the next few weeks I plan on gutting the entire boat and hopefully have a quick turn around so I can be fishing by October. Just need the transom, floors, carpet and console installed and will save the rest for the winter if I'm able!!!

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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 28 Aug 2016, 15:21 

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How much room is under the floor on these boats? I see some people put rod lockers in the floor, curious how much room there is?


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 06 Sep 2016, 21:49 

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Well, after fishing all weekend about 2 weeks ago, the last day the boat starts to run like crap. So I decided to do some maintenance. Changed the fuel diaphragm, water pump, put new spark plug boots on, new fuel lines, and new fuel primer bulb. Fixed a leaky bolt, and some other misc things. Started it up in a 50 gallon tote and it seems to be running great again. 1-2 more weeks and I plan on gutting the entire boat. Stay tuned, things are about to get interesting!


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 07 Nov 2016, 22:50 

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Finally pulled the transom. Wow was it in horrible condition. Absolutely water logged and I could put a screw driver through it without much effert. No clue how it held my 85hp motor. I have some questions about epoxy. I found a link saying to use 635 thin epoxy with medium hardener. Is that the right stuff? Will 1 quart be enough? Here are some pictures!

Used a ratchet strap to help pull the wood out.

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This is all that was left. The entire left side was completely rotten.

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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 08 Nov 2016, 07:20 

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Dang near the boat as mine. 16 ft star craft ss. Wish i did the ski locker when i had mine gutted for additional storage. Once you have yours gutted you can see you stringer layout and go from there. Find a lid on c list and frame in a box. Most use aluminum. And there you go.


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 08 Nov 2016, 10:46 

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Gonna start on the floor Thursday. Real curious to see how much room is under there. Would love to have some tackle storage.

Anyone have some input on the sealing the transom? Search results come up with a lot of old threads 4+ years old.


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 Post subject: 1978 Sylvan Restoration.
PostPosted: 08 Nov 2016, 13:31 

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I used spar urethane. I meesed up though and sealed them then glued them together. You want to glue them together and then seal them.


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